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Submission GARDINER AND GROHULLER-0433 (Online)

Submission By David Gardiner and Yvonne Grohuller
AddressVancouver, BC, Canada
Organization
Date20040519
CategoryCitizens' Assembly process, Electoral system change
Abstract
I do not want to see proportional representation where my 'local' candidate represents much of the lower mainland. I would like to preserve BC's ridings as they are, and add a few (six seats) for at-large, proportional options. [2 pages]

Submission Content
Proportional Representation Could Mean Vancouver's Ugly At-large System for the Province

I am very concerned about what you as a Citizens' Assembly are doing. And I am hoping that every one of you gets a chance to read this letter. Proportional representation is very much like the City of Vancouver's heinous at large system. This is a system that supports democratic dictatorship where one party has basically ruled municipal politics for at least 65 of the last 75 years. In the at large system, it is impossible for a citizen to run as a independent candidate. I was once an independent candidate and I figured I would have to start campaigning the day after the election and campaign for the entire three years (one term of office) to even have a chance of success in the following election. In the last municipal election I received not one bit of information about whom I was to vote for at my house. My wife and I went to the polls with only the longstanding vague ideologies of each of the major parties. This was completely unacceptable.

We in Vancouver are fighting for a ward system, a system where I hopefully can count on the candidate to actually bother to campaign.

Your sponsor is a graduate of the at large system and he loves it. If he could see one party permanently rule in provincial politics, he will have accomplished his hidden addenda with you.

I am no fan of the existing system provincially. But I do not want to see the ten provincial ridings for Vancouver carved into three ridings, or worse, that my local candidate is representing the lower mainland so that we can have proportional representation. I do not want to see my vote go to a party where they pick my candidate after the election.

What I would like to see at a minimum is to PRESERVE the ridings as they are, and add a few (six seats) for at-large / proportional options.

In the last election we elected 77 Liberals and 2 NDP. In this scenario, the five or six at large seats should go to the opposition parties exclusively -- no point giving the Liberals more seats they already have enough.

Let’s say we elected 40 Liberals and 37 NDP, reserve one seat for a minor party like the Greens, and split the rest of the 5 or six seats between the NDP and the Liberals. The candidates could come from areas where, for example, the Liberals dominated one region of BC. The one NDP from the region could be chosen to represent those voters from that region. Hopefully, the person would be local. (Perhaps the number of proportional seats would be dependent upon the outcome of the vote.)

Ultimately I want to preserve the notion that an independent can have a chance in any election. Make the riding too large like 1/3 of Vancouver and this becomes impossible. Too large ridings also result in the candidate being very distant from the constituents. This results in candidates not even bothering to campaign (This is happening in Vancouver’s at large system, George Puil used to take vacations during the election) This also results in sitting MPs not bothering to meet with constituents.

I stand for very small ridings and some proportional representation. I’m an idealist and I cannot expect this outcome.

If you give me a system where I do not know whom I am voting for I shall have to choose not to bother voting (which I have never done).

In conclusion I caution you once more your sponsor wants an at large system for the province and he wants a democratic dictatorship. He wants a system that generates as much voter apathy as possible. The more distant we are from our candidates the more apathy there will be!

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